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King David

·         1 King David
·         2 Gail’s Obsession with her Fallen Bloodline
·         3 King of Incest
·         4 Incestuous relations are not permitted in the bible

[edit]King David

David (Hebrew: דָּוִד, דָּוִיד, Modern David Tiberian Dāwîḏ; Dawid; Strong’s Daveed; beloved; Arabic داود, (Dāwūd)) was the second king of the united Kingdom of Israel according to the Hebrew Bible and, according to the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, an ancestor of Jesus Christ. He is depicted as a righteous king, although not without fault, as well as an acclaimed warrior, musician and poet, traditionally credited for composing many of the psalms contained in the Book of Psalms.

[edit]Gail’s Obsession with her Fallen Bloodline

Gail Chord Schuler enjoyed the television show Kings on NBC, so we had to make sure it was cancelled. It gave her too much bravery, and this cannot be allowed.

[edit]King of Incest

King David was not exalted, as Gail claims; his eldest son raped his daughter, and he did nothing about it.

[edit]Incestuous relations are not permitted in the bible

2 Samuel 13:1: Some time passed. David’s son Absalom had a beautiful sister whose name was Tamar; and David’s son Amnon fell in love with her. David had several children by different wives. Amnon was the son of Ahinoam of Jezreel, while Absalom and Tamar were children of Maacah. In fact, Amnon was David’s firstborn son and heir, while Absalom was his second born son.

2 Samuel 13:2:

Amnon was so tormented that he made himself ill because of his sister Tamar, for she was a virgin and it seemed impossible to Amnon to do anything to her. The Bible tells us two things in this verse. Amnon “loves” Tamar to the point of distraction, but not enough to want to marry her. The fact she is a virgin means he can not have an affair with her without causing problems.

2 Samuel 13:3:

But Amnon had a friend whose name was Jonadab, the son of David’s brother Shimeah; and Jonadab was a very crafty man. Jonadab was Amnon and Tamar’s cousin.

2 Samuel 13:4:

He said to him, ‘O son of the king, why are you so haggard morning after morning? Will you not tell me?’ Amnon said to him, ‘I love Tamar, my brother Absalom’s sister.’ When Jonadab approaches Amnon, he stresses Amnon’s royal connections, while Amnon distances his relationship to Tamar by saying she is Absalom’s sister.

2 Samuel 13:5:

Jonadab said to him, ‘Lie down on your bed, and pretend to be ill; and when your father comes to see you, say to him, “Let my sister Tamar come and give me something to eat, and prepare the food in my sight, so that I may see it and eat it from her hand.”‘So Amnon lay down, and pretended to be ill; and when the king came to see him, Amnon said to the king, ‘Please let my sister Tamar come and make a couple of cakes in my sight, so that I may eat from her hand.’ Then David sent home to Tamar, saying, “Go to your brother Amnon’s house, and prepare food for him.” 8 So Tamar went to her brother Amnon’s house, where he was lying down. She took dough, kneaded it, made cakes in his sight, and baked the cakes. Jonadab and Amnon plan to ensnare Tamar. While some commentators claim Tamar, a single woman, was not supposed to have been alone with a single man, Jonadab and Amnon have plan a way around this restriction. Amnon pretends to be sick, and asks his father to have a female relative fix his meal, a seemingly innocent request. David tells his daughter to go to Amnon’s house and cook his meal. Tamar complied with her father’s command.

Again, Tamar does nothing “wrong”. She acted just as she should.

2 Samuel 13:9-13:

Then she took the pan and set them out before him, but he refused to eat. Amnon said, ‘Send out everyone from me.’ So everyone went out from him. Then Amnon said to Tamar, ‘Bring the food into the chamber, so that I may eat from your hand.’ So Tamar took the cakes she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother. But when she brought them near him to eat, he took hold of her, and said to her, ‘Come, lie with me, my sister.’ She answered him, ‘No, my brother, do not force me; for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do anything so vile! As for me, where could I carry my shame? And as for you, you would be as one of the scoundrels in Israel. Now therefore, I beg you, speak to the king; for he will not withhold me from you.’ Amnon begins to apply pressure on Tamar. She says no. The Bible conveys her fear and desperation. She reminds him that what he is doing is morally wrong and that as David’s favored son and heir he could ask to marry her. Yet his is not what Amnon wants.

2 Samuel 13:14:

But he would not listen to her; and being stronger than she, he forced her and lay with her. Amnon raped Tamar. He used his physical strength to force her.

Many times women who have been raped are told they did something to cause that rape. The Bible makes no such judgment against Tamar. Amnon decided he wanted her because she was physically attractive to him. Amnon planned. Amnon deceived David. Amnon used his greater physical strength to force her. Tamar, on the other hand, was exactly where her society said she should be–cooking a meal for her male relative as instructed by her father.

Like many people, both women and men, Tamar was the victim of incest. Her half-brother decided he wanted her, and her father left the door open for her to be abused. David would not have expected his son to do such a thing, no parent would. Yet, incest happens in families from all social and economic classes–in “good Christian” homes as well as non Christian. Families need to be aware of the possibilities.

2 Samuel 13:15:

Then Amnon was seized with a very great loathing for her; indeed, his loathing was even greater than the lust he had felt for her. Amnon said to her, ‘Get out!’ After his sexual desire is fulfilled, Amnon has no further use for Tamar. The love he professed suddenly turned hate, a hate stronger than the lust he felt for her.

2 Samuel 13:16:

But she said to him, ‘No, my brother; for this wrong in sending me away is greater than the other that you did to me.’ But he would not listen to her. Tamar pleads with Amnon not to reject her, yet he will not listen to her.

2 Samuel 13:17-20:

He called the young man who served him and said, ‘Put this woman out of my presence, and bolt the door after her.’ (Now she was wearing a long robe with sleeves; for this is how the virgin daughters of the king were clothed in earlier times.) So his servant put her out, and bolted the door after her. But Tamar put ashes on her head, and tore the long robe that she was wearing; she put her hand on her head, and went away, crying aloud as she went. Her brother Absalom said to her, ‘Has Amnon your brother been with you? Be quiet for now, my sister; he is your brother; do not take this to heart.’ So Tamar remained, a desolate woman, in her brother Absalom’s house. Amnon has his servant do his dirty work, and having Tamar thrown out. Tamar grieves, wearing ashes and tearing her robes. Her brother Absalom sees her distress. Through out the story, Amnon has distanced himself from Tamar, calling her “Absalom’s sister”, yet Absalom stresses that Tamar is Amnon’s sister. Unfortunately, he does what too many family member have done when confronted with incest–urges Tamar to be quiet. He tells he to be quiet, for Amnon is her brother. He does take her in to his house, but does nothing to really address her pain. Instead she becomes a desolate woman living in her brother’s house, with a “dirty” secret.

2 Samuel 13: 21:

When King David heard of all these things, he became very angry, but he would not punish his son Amnon, because he loved him, for he was his firstborn. A father had the responsibility of gaining reparation if his daughter was victimized, but David didn’t stand or Tamar. Instead, David was more concerned with his son, not his daughter. Two members of her family who could have supported her failed: both David and Absalom. Many modern victims of incest face this same failure. Their families may be more concerned with protecting the abuser than the victim….or they may be more concerned with returning to the status quo. Yet, as we’ve seen the Holy Spirit was very concerned about what happened to Tamar. He inspired the author to remember her plight. Women today can know that even if everyone else seems not to care, God does.

2 Samuel 13:32:

But Jonadab, the son of David’s brother Shimeah, said, ‘Let not my lord suppose that they have killed all the young men the king’s sons; Amnon alone is dead. This has been determined by Absalom from the day Amnon raped his sister Tamar. Absalom has had Amnon killed in revenge for what was done to their sister, now Jonadab reappears. He tells David not to be too upset that only Amnon was killed. He goes on to stress that Absalom planned it for the rape of Tamar. Notice he says nothing of his own part in the plot to rape his cousin.